{"id":295,"date":"2014-02-28T19:22:20","date_gmt":"2014-02-28T19:22:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/primolevicenter.org\/printed-matter\/?p=295"},"modified":"2020-09-08T21:30:23","modified_gmt":"2020-09-08T21:30:23","slug":"devotos-oral-archive-1987-1989","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/primolevicenter.org\/printed-matter\/devotos-oral-archive-1987-1989\/","title":{"rendered":"Devoto&#8217;s\u00a0Oral Archive (1987-1989)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tuscan Memories of the Nazi Deportation: Devoto&#8217;s&nbsp;Oral Archive (1987-1989)<\/p>\n<div class=\"sc-separator type-thin\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"sc-accordion\">\n<a class=\"trigger\" href=\"#\">Giovanni Contini Bonaccossi (Viterbi lecture. Center for Jewish Studies, UCLA)<\/a>\r\n\t   \t\t   <div class=\"content\">Giovanni&nbsp;Contini&nbsp;Bonacossi&nbsp;has been Director of Audiovisual Archives at the Superintendence for Tuscan archives since 1984. He was Professor of History of Contemporary Italy at the University of Rome La&nbsp;Sapienza&nbsp;from 2005 to 2008. He also taught archival science from 2008 to 2012. A graduate of the University of Florence,&nbsp;Contini Bonaccossi&nbsp;is a former Research Fellow of King\u2019s College Cambridge. He was visiting professor at the Tokyo University (Komaba) in 2002 and Regents fellow of UCLA in 2006.What follows is a slightly revised version of a lecture&nbsp;he gave last May at the&nbsp;Viterbi Program in Mediterranean Jewish Studies under the auspices of the UCLA Center for Jewish Studies. Contini&nbsp;Bonaccossi&nbsp;has been studying psychologist Andrea Devoto\u2019s&nbsp;oral archive, and is currently working on a book using that archive as a basis for the examination the&nbsp;Shoah&nbsp;experience and its&nbsp;long term effects.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Andrea&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;(1927-1994) was an Italian psychologist, a professor of Social Psychology&nbsp;and the director&nbsp;of the Ospedale&nbsp;Psichiatrico&nbsp;in&nbsp;Maggiano&nbsp;(Lucca) and the Ospedale Psichiatrico&nbsp;San&nbsp;Salvi&nbsp;in Florence.<br \/>\nAt the end of World War II Devoto, then in his late teens and working as a volunteer, took part in the reconstruction of cities across Central and Eastern Europe, during which time he became deeply interested in the history of the concentration camps, particularly from a psychological perspective.<br \/>\nHe would subsequently publish the&nbsp;important Bibliography of Nazi Oppression, (1964), write many essays on the camps, and &#8211; together with Massimo Martini &#8211; La&nbsp;Violenza&nbsp;nei&nbsp;Lager, (1981) and, four years later, Human Behavior in Extreme Conditions: the Social Psychologist and the Nazi Lager.<br \/>\nIn 1986,&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;decided to do a series of interviews with Tuscan survivors of the deportation to the Nazi KL (Konzentrationslager &#8211; concentration camps) which he modeled on interviews conducted in Piedmont earlier by a team led by Primo Levi.<br \/>\nLike Levi,&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;organized several study sessions with his team, who would read the copious literature on what was then called the Holocaust. At the end of 1987 he had his first meetings with the survivors, and the interviews were completed by mid-1989.<br \/>\nWhat he found was the profound psychological and physical consequences of their detention &#8211; decades after the liberation \u2013 not only continued to exert considerable psychological damage and a wide range of health problems, but that in many instances had resulted in premature deaths. &nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;writes that at the end of&nbsp;the 1980s, of the approximately 559 survivors from Tuscany who came home in 1945, only 105 were still alive, and of those only 70 were available for an interview. The rest were either incapable of participating due to mental illness, or were otherwise unwilling to recall the memories of their death camp experiences. &nbsp;In the end, the actual number of people interviewed was 69: 60 \u201cpolitical\u201d prisoners and 9 Jews.<br \/>\nIn Tuscany, the total number of deportees was 1821: &nbsp;857 Jews and 964 political deportees. The percentage survival rate was, according to ANED (the National Association of ex-Deportees), 30% for the so-called political prisoners and 9% for the Jews. In fact, recent research shows that the percentage of \u201cpolitical\u201d deportees who managed to survive was even higher, up to 50%. Since only 9% of the Jews managed to come back, the number of Jews&nbsp;and non-Jews interviewed by Devoto&nbsp;coincides, percentage-wise, with the number of those who survived -: 482 \u201cpoliticals\u201d and 77 Jews, respectively 85% and 15% of the total.<br \/>\nWhen the research was completed, all tapes and transcripts were given to ANED.&nbsp;The resulting 2400 pages of interview transcripts were&nbsp;both&nbsp;informative and moving, but resulted&nbsp;in only one book, La&nbsp;speranza&nbsp;tradita (Hope Betrayed &#8211; a very odd title), published in 1992. The author of the text made a decision not to appear in the interviews, choosing instead to break it down into a series of themes (\u2018Before the Arrest\u2019 \u2018Arrival in the Camps\u2019, \u2018Starvation\u2019, \u2018Liberation\u2019, \u2018Back in Italy\u2019, etc.), using selected relevant interview fragments to fill them out.<br \/>\nEvidently, only a small part of the information contained in the interviews was used and, more importantly, the chance to identify individual witnesses and stories was lost.<br \/>\nSubsequently, the interviews ceased being used, mainly due to the death of Devoto in 1994. ANED did, however, manage to bring out several reissues of La&nbsp;speranza&nbsp;tradita, over the next few years.<br \/>\nTen years later&nbsp;when&nbsp;the&nbsp;Shoah&nbsp;Foundation conducted its interviews in Tuscany, only one of the 65 survivors interviewed by&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;was interviewed again. His name was Isacco&nbsp;Bayona, a Jew from Livorno. This happened because the Foundation project was not interested in non-Jewish deportees, because some of the Jews interviewed by&nbsp;Devoto were now deceased, and because the persons interviewed by the&nbsp;Shoah Foundation had to volunteer, while&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;had obtained&nbsp;the names of the survivors from ANED who had put some pressure on them to grant the interviews.&nbsp;The survivors had joined ANED&nbsp;mostly for practical reasons (i.e.&nbsp;to obtain the status and benefits of a \u201cdeportee\u201d). But they were reluctant to share their experiences, and probably would have chosen not to be interviewed had it not been for the pressure to comply with ANED. One of them, in fact, still refused to be interviewed.<br \/>\nThis is a very important point, for it explains in part why the witnesses interviewed by&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;were so different from those interviewed by the&nbsp;Shoah&nbsp;Foundation. The latter, all volunteers, delivered interviews that were intended to convey a message of hope to new generations, in spite of the horrors suffered. Conversely, those survivors interviewed by&nbsp;Devoto could, for the most part, find nothing positive in the terrible experience they suffered.&nbsp;Most of the survivors interviewed by&nbsp;Devoto, discouraged by the experience of the decades-long disinterest of friends and family in their stories, had been reluctant to participate. And in the late 1980s the&nbsp;survivors&nbsp;clearly still did not sense&nbsp;the&nbsp;significance of their testimony nor were they aware of the potential interest in it. While many survivors died soon&nbsp;after giving&nbsp;the interviews, those who lived on into the 1990s became&nbsp;very active in their efforts to relate their experience. Times had changed and now they could feel the importance of their stories.<\/p>\n<p>And yet Devoto\u2019s interviewees are more representative of that experience precisely because they were not&nbsp;volunteer witnesses, and especially because they had all been in concentration camps, while only a small number of those interviewed by the&nbsp;Shoah&nbsp;Foundation had been.<br \/>\nThese survivors often express a willingness to speak (more often, as we shall see,&nbsp;than in the interviews done later on) of the many physical \u2013 and particularly the psychological &#8211; problems that continued to plague them in the post-liberation years, and which rendered their release incomplete, in a sense. Thus&nbsp;Devoto\u2019s&nbsp;field work&nbsp;was able to include the wider arc of their detention as well as of their subsequent lives.<br \/>\nA distinction is usually made between those who were deported for what they had done (the political activists, the criminals, the so called \u201casocials\u201d) and those who were deported for belonging of a persecuted group: Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses. Any examination of the texts that analyze the deportation from a quantitative point of view&nbsp;reveals that the most non-Jews deported from Tuscany were called&nbsp;Schutzhaftlinge&nbsp;(persons deported for security reasons) and&nbsp;Politisch (deported for political reasons). &nbsp;However, in the vast majority of cases they were in no way political militants but were either deserters or, (in most instances), young workers, very few of whom were&nbsp;involved in&nbsp;political anti-fascist organizations but who more often belonged to a unique proletarian background which was never fully fascist, a sub-culture which managed to keep a certain distance from&nbsp;the more militant fascism without being explicitly anti-fascist.<br \/>\nSeveral, for instance, were arrested by the soldiers of the Fascist Social Republic in Prato, Florence or&nbsp;nearby Empoli during a political strike in March of 1944, a day when they\u2019d gone to work and were told that the factory was closed, with the result that they were walking through the streets and simply found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of them were sent to&nbsp;Mauthausen&nbsp;(34),&nbsp;Ebensee&nbsp;(19) and Dachau (14).<br \/>\nSince they were born under the Fascist regime they had only a vague idea of what a strike was, and yet they were deported as political militants. One was arrested because he went to visit his mother who\u2019d been arrested as well&nbsp;(on \u200b\u200bthat occasion the women were not deported).&nbsp;Another was arrested, along with his brother, by the fascist Republicans while he was playing billiards. A sixteen year-old boy who went to plead the cause of a friend who\u2019d arrested by the Germans managed to get all the way to the German command without being stopped by the Fascist Republican authorities \u2013 whose task was protecting the Germans. The German High Command complained to&nbsp;the Fascists who then arrested the boy as punishment for that reprimand. I\u2019ll say that again, he was 16 years old and was sent to&nbsp;Ebensee.<br \/>\nThree others were arrested&nbsp;as soldiers after the Italian surrender on 8 September, 1943 and were sent to Germany as IMI\u2019s Internati&nbsp;Militari&nbsp;Italiani, (Italian military internees), where conditions were quite a bit better than those faced by the prisoners in the KLs, not least because, although they didn\u2019t get much to eat, they didn\u2019t die of starvation;&nbsp; and were not supervised by the SS but by the Wehrmacht. But that position would change and they later became KL prisoners. One of them was&nbsp;caught stealing food after having escaped from the IMI prison, was tried and sent to a concentration camp; another who worked in a&nbsp;factory accidentally&nbsp;broke a hydraulic press, was tried for sabotage &nbsp;and sent to the camps; still another \u200bcommitted \u200bno \u201ccrime\u201d at all but was simply caught &nbsp;up in the technological drift that brought him to the KL \u2013 he had worked in a missile factory whose IMI status was changed &nbsp;because the Dora project needed workers with experience in missile manufacture.<br \/>\nThe majority of these people had no notion whatever of politics and anti-fascism.<br \/>\nAs Augusto&nbsp;Lupo&nbsp;attested:&nbsp; I know nothing about politics. I\u2019m a political deportee but I truly knew nothing about politics. They made \u200b\u200bme a political deportee because I refused to collaborate with the Germans, and yet, even today, honestly, I know nothing about politics\u2026\u201d&nbsp;(Augusto&nbsp;Lupo)<br \/>\nTheir misfortune was that they were working-class people, and the Germans were desperately in need for industrial labor at a time when very few Italian workers were volunteering to work in Germany.<br \/>\nSo, in most cases, these men were arrested not for what they had done, but for what they were: young workers available for slave labor in Germany.<br \/>\nIt should be noted too that the Fascists had long maintained a degree of suspicion towards factory workers, whom they regarded as potentially subversive and difficult to control; so they were often treated with&nbsp;additional condescension and paternalism. Conversely, blue collar&nbsp;workers maintained a certain class antagonism toward&nbsp;Fascism, perceiving beyond the official propaganda how the Regime found ways to perpetuate class privileges.<br \/>\nNot being really political, the factory workers could not have imagined what lay in store: the treatment they experienced in the camps was entirely unexpected and therefore additionally shocking and psychologically destructive.&nbsp;Enzo&nbsp;Gandi, a partisan, says that he \u201cknew perfectly well\u201d what awaited him in the KL. The contact between Italian and German anti-fascists improved the conditions of the real political prisoners and on one occasion, in&nbsp;Mauthausen,&nbsp;Gandi&nbsp;was helped by the clandestine Communist network when &nbsp;Paietta &#8211; an Italian Communist leader in the camp &#8211; managed to get him moved to a less strenuous work area.<br \/>\nBut the majority of the&nbsp;so called&nbsp;\u201cpoliticals\u201d were not in any position to enjoy such protection, precisely because they were not political at all and were, therefore, not recognizable as comrades by any clandestine network. In addition, since they were not very well educated and didn\u2019t know any foreign languages, in particular German, they couldn\u2019t figure out ways to get less arduous work and were often sent to the most deadly work sites, such as quarries, or places where they had to dig tunnels in&nbsp;rock. On top of that, and again due to their ignorance of German, they couldn\u2019t understand orders properly&nbsp;and&nbsp;were beaten more severely than other groups of deportees &#8211; beatings that were sometimes fatal and frequently caused permanent damage: anything from chipped teeth and bruised kidneys to broken bones, and heads struck hard enough to create permanent brain damage.<br \/>\nThey soon realized that they\u2019d been put away in places where they were \u201cexpelled from life\u201d (Bruno Paoli) &nbsp;and&nbsp;they very soon reached a stage where death seemed desirable, since \u201cdeath was health\u201d (Domenico&nbsp;Chirico) ; when the camp was bombed \u201cit was a joy, if I die it&#8217;s all over\u201d (Martino&nbsp;Gacci).<br \/>\nThe interviews are full of information about the systematic violence perpetrated by the Germans and&nbsp;kapos (camp supervisors)&nbsp;on their prisoners, but since this issue has been treated in depth elsewhere, it\u2019s not necessary to cover it in detail here. I would prefer instead to focus my attention on the psychological consequences of detention, both during and after imprisonment, since the interviews are particularly interesting from this point of view.<br \/>\nDevoto\u2019s&nbsp;interviews include the most odious and ambiguous aspects of concentration camp life, which are less frequently touched on in subsequent accounts. Survivors tell very explicitly how the camps\u2019 chain of command destroyed any altruistic impulse among prisoners, how all the normal moral hierarchies were totally overturned and how each prisoner found&nbsp;himself&nbsp;totally alone in the face of death.<br \/>\nThere are many statements that show how, in order to survive, prisoners had to learn to deaden of their emotions, how they had to become indifferent when fellow prisoners were beaten or hanged &nbsp;\u201c we would say: so much the worse for those with no luck.\u201d&nbsp;(Andrea&nbsp;Barsanti).<br \/>\n(The horror) \u201c\u2026no longer had such a terrible effect on us, because every other day in the infirmary we had to remove the dead. We were taking the dead (&#8230;) and we were throwing them out the window\u201d. (Vinicio Goretti)<br \/>\nThe deportees had to collectively attend in silence the ritual hangings of those who had tried to escape from the camp. \u201cIn the long run (that display) became such a habit that we no longer felt anything about it. I remember being reborn when I cried so much after seeing my mother again\u2026 (pause) I remember when I started to cry again.\u201d(Cesare&nbsp;Pilesi).<br \/>\nEven those who were sentenced to be executed appeared to take their future death in a very cool way:&nbsp;\u201cSunday morning they will hang me. Come and take my soup, what can I do with it?\u201d&nbsp;(Martino&nbsp;Gacci).<br \/>\nThose who pined after their loved ones were less likely to survive.&nbsp;Lupo&nbsp;says that he had no memory of home,&nbsp;\u201cI was just thinking about eating, that\u2019s all. I was always hungry, always looking for food\u201d.&nbsp;(Augusto&nbsp;Lupo)<br \/>\n\u201cAnother very interesting thing: the separation from your loved ones. You must not believe that everyone in the camp thought about home sweet home: we no longer thought of anything, we\u2019d become like animals: no more memory of our father or mother or girlfriend or love: nothing\u201d (Aldo&nbsp;Moscati).<br \/>\n\u201cBesides, those who remembered and cried: they died. Actually, our humanity had been destroyed, so that \u2026there was only one law in the concentration camp: grab what you can. Theft was not considered theft any more; it was considered almost an act of bravery: to steal bread to from someone who kept it hidden (because we weren\u2019t supposed to keep anything, right?) was considered almost a brilliant act.\u201d&nbsp;(Aldo&nbsp;Moscati).<br \/>\n\u201cThere was a girl, poor thing she was more dead than alive. She had two or three pieces of bread; the poor thing was sick, she seemed unable to eat. In short, I found these pieces of bread and I ate them. Then she was looking for her bread: \u2018Mary, did you see it?\u2019 \u2018No, I didn\u2019t.\u2019 Instead I had already eaten it\u201d.&nbsp; (Mary&nbsp;Graziani Grifoni).<br \/>\nThis total selfishness is another theme of the survivors\u2019 stories. \u201cUnfortunately, everyone was thinking of himself; everyone was fighting for survival.\u201d (Maria&nbsp;Furst Castro).<br \/>\n\u201cThere was no possibility of helping each other. If I found a leaf on the ground I would eat it alone, and certainly wouldn\u2019t give any to anyone else\u201d, Luciano Paoli said. But he added that this was exactly what the Germans wanted, to deprive the prisoners of all humanity in order \u201cto make us become \u201cMuselman\u201d, in order to ensure that we would comprehend nothing\u201d.<br \/>\nThere are even testimonies, very rare, of those who reached that stage that led to a very rapid death: \u201cI had lost all sense of time, I didn\u2019t know whether I was alive or dead. Fortunately that (only) happened to me at the very end (of my detention, before the liberation). I was an automaton, a robot. I didn\u2019t understand anything. I&#8217;d like to show people what it means when life has no meaning at all. You no longer have anything &#8230; life was like that there (he points at an object): a non-life. Or at least so it seemed to me\u201d (Augusto&nbsp;Lupo)<br \/>\nListening to these interviews, one has the&nbsp;impression that&nbsp;the true value of the testimony given by these witnesses was, by the end of the 1980s, not yet wholly and publicly recognized, or at least that the paradigm within which these witnesses provided&nbsp;undoubtedly compelling accounts had not been fully developed.<br \/>\nIt seems clear that the personal accounts of what went on in the concentration camps was also not yet public but still restricted mainly to those who had had the same experiences.<br \/>\n\u201c(After we got home) we retreated into our shells like snails, and we spoke only with our fellow prisoners.&nbsp;I see the flaws of my companions,&nbsp;they definitely see my flaws. But among ourselves we look each other in the eyes, we endure and we know. We avoided contact with others until the National Association of former deportees, ANED, was&nbsp;founded\u201d (Luciano Paoli).<br \/>\nANED wasn\u2019t founded till 1968.<br \/>\nPaoli&nbsp;is no&nbsp;exception: the majority of the survivors, in their sixties when interviewed, seem to have been very reluctant to tell their story to \u201cothers\u201d; this included even close relatives and friends, both immediately after&nbsp;their return home and afterwards.<br \/>\n\u201cWhy should I tell my story to people? Just to amuse them?\u201d&nbsp;(Andrea&nbsp;Barsanti). \u201cThe less I talk about it, the better I feel\u201d&nbsp; (Franco&nbsp;Bani).<br \/>\n\u201cI do not like to tell what happened to me, because it opens up a very deep wound (&#8230;) the past: I put a lid on it, &nbsp;don\u2019t&nbsp;want to think about (&#8230;) I don\u2019t like talking about these things here, not to grieve the souls of others (&#8230;)\u201d (Isacco&nbsp;Bayona, who lost his entire family &nbsp;at Auschwitz.)<br \/>\nIt seems plausible that these witnesses preferred not to tell their stories because \u201cothers\u201d often expressed disbelief in them:<br \/>\n\u201cAfter returning home we were telling of our experiences. In the concentration camp our older fellow inmates told us to keep our brains in good shape. Those who had remained alive had to tell, they must transmit our experiences to everybody. But at home they thought we were crazy. I think my mother thought: \u2018He came back a bit cracked, this&nbsp;guy.\u2019&#8230;\u201d&nbsp;(Luciano Paoli)<br \/>\n\u201c&#8230;I\u2019ve spoken many times&nbsp;with friends, but they thought I was exaggerating, they said that I was crazy, so I didn&#8217;t talk anymore\u201d (Rolando Mugnai)<br \/>\n\u201cThese things are incredible, you can\u2019t believe them. A normal person says \u2018But that&#8217;s crazy, it\u2019s impossible for him to have lived like that.\u2019 (&#8230;)&nbsp;my friends don\u2019t even know I was in a concentration camp (Auschwitz),&nbsp;don\u2019t even know I have&nbsp;a tattoo on my arm, when they find out they remain open-mouthed&#8221;\u201d (Isacco&nbsp;Bayona)<br \/>\nWitnesses sometimes confessed that they themselves thought that what had happened seemed unbelievable:<br \/>\n\u201cWhenever I go to bed I think, \u2018How did I come back?\u2019 Many times I wonder how I managed to get back. Many times I must tell (to others) things (to others) that I myself believe impossible. I\u2019ve seen things that are incredible. I don\u2019t believe them myself, so how can I persuade others that they were true?\u201d (Aldo&nbsp;Rovai)<br \/>\n\u201cWe, the survivors of concentration camp Dora, gather together every year and we say, \u2018it\u2019s&nbsp;impossible that we lived like that. How could we have lived like that and come out alive?\u2019.\u201d (Niccol\u00f2&nbsp;Carpen\u00e9)<br \/>\n\u201cWhen I returned to&nbsp;Mauthausen&nbsp;&nbsp;(\u2026) &nbsp;a&nbsp;few years ago, we visited the cemetery. There were records of all the names of the dead (&#8230;). Leafing through this log,&nbsp;I went to look for the name of a person who was with me there in&nbsp;Mauthausen,&nbsp;he was from Milan. And when I saw his name on the register, I said, \u2018so I really knew him!\u2019 It seemed to me that it was just a fantasy\u2026\u201d (Carlo&nbsp;Scatena).<br \/>\nIn short, it seems that listeners had difficulty believing the stories and were only persuaded to in consideration of generally known facts, as for example the very high number of those who never returned.<br \/>\n\u201cWhen we got back and were telling about these things, people thought we were fanatics. They said: \u2018These are fables.\u2019(&#8230;) But later they&nbsp;said, \u2018Some of it must be true, the Germans captured four hundred and eighty people and only nineteen came back. Where are the&nbsp;others?\u2019 This&nbsp;was an important point\u201d&nbsp; (Roberto Castellani).<br \/>\nIn other words, it seems that some believed the story&nbsp;despite&nbsp;the \u201cunbelievable\u201d &nbsp; details. Perhaps even the early visits to the concentration camps were born from the need to prove to others, and first of all to themselves, that the experience had, in fact,&nbsp; been real. Those visits, more private than visits to the camps are these days, were called \u201cpilgrimages\u201d and the attitude of the survivors towards them was complex. &nbsp;Some simply refused to go.<br \/>\n\u201cThey told me many times \u2018Let\u2019s go there.\u2019 I\u2019m sorry, how can I put it? If I see that again I\u2019ll get sick to my stomach and begin to cry. I can\u2019t; it\u2019s better if I don\u2019t go back there to see it again\u201d (Giovanni&nbsp;Bicciato).<br \/>\n\u201cI don\u2019t feel like seeing the places where (I was a prisoner)again. I didn\u2019t like it because I didn\u2019t feel like going, because I&#8217;d seen too many things.\u201d&nbsp; (MarioAbenaim)<br \/>\nMany went on a pilgrimage once but refused to repeat the experience. Some were offended by the mocking attitude of the Germans living near the camps, or they had simply suffered too much to repeat the experience:<br \/>\n\u201cIf I think of going back there, I don\u2019t like it.\u201d<br \/>\n\u201cI\u2019ve been there once: but no, I will not go back there again.\u201d<br \/>\nSome thought they must go out of respect for their fallen comrades, and some express a highly ambivalent attitude towards the pilgrimage:<br \/>\n\u201cI feel as if I was at home, the camp&nbsp;(Ebensee)&nbsp;does that to me. I don\u2019t know why (&#8230;) I feel as if I had always lived there (&#8230;) I&nbsp;don\u2019t know: it gives me this feeling, yes. If I could go there every month, I would go. I don\u2019t know why there is this feeling, I don\u2019t know how to explain (&#8230;) when we are in the concentration camp, I live it like when I was over there, then. When I am in the village: then I am a bit more&#8230;.practically&#8230;I am a bit more peaceful.\u201d(Dorval&nbsp;Vannini).<br \/>\nHere we come to a very important point, the extreme difficulty of overcoming the concentration camp experience,&nbsp;which, in the example&nbsp;just given, remains suspended in a sort of limbo, fluctuating between a positive and a negative, &nbsp;an experience which &nbsp;in many other cases appears as a past that fails to subside, that haunts its victims permanently with various psychiatric symptoms, from insomnia or disrupted sleep to negative irreversible personality transformations.<br \/>\n\u201cSometimes it happens at night, I wake up badly. Because maybe you relive a moment in which you were afraid, and this is a nightmare. I try to overcome it, but it is difficult\u201d (Aldo&nbsp;Becucci) .<br \/>\n\u201cI had extreme exhaustion, I had nightmares, at night I was screaming, I was stricken by a kind of epilepsy\u201d (Frida&nbsp;Misul).<br \/>\n\u201cMy reintegration into normal life in society, it has been difficult. First of all I thought that if I told of certain things I would be considered a fool. Then, even if someone encouraged me to talk, after two or three minutes I would&nbsp;feel &nbsp;a&nbsp;lump in my throat,&nbsp;anger about what I went through would come over me&nbsp;(\u2026) I would begin to cry\u201d (Nedo&nbsp;Nencioni) .<br \/>\n\u201cAt night my wife wakes me up: \u2018What are you doing?\u2019 \u2018I dreamed that the<br \/>\nGermans were running after me.\u2019&nbsp;How many times, Madam, how many times I dream of the Germans.&nbsp;It is incalculable. Luckily my wife is a light sleeper and wakes me up. I always dream that the Germans are shooting me, or that they\u2019re giving me the coup de grace.&nbsp;Always, always.&nbsp;Or I dream that the Germans are chasing me\u2026\u201d(Franco&nbsp;Bani)&nbsp;.<br \/>\n\u201cSince I returned to my family I\u2019ve had&nbsp;a&nbsp;tough&nbsp;time, because I\u2019ve suffered from insomnia for over ten years. (&#8230;) This experience left a deep impression on me: I became mistrustful, suspicious,&nbsp;touchy. Before that I had a completely different character. In short, I went through a great transformation and heightened nervousness. I became nervous with my family. Luckily my wife puts up with me. In short : my behavior is not normal\u201d&nbsp;(Luciano Paoli) .<br \/>\n\u201cSome nights I would toss and turn in bed, and my wife would say, \u2018what&#8217;s the matter\u2019? I\u2019d say, \u2018Nothing\u2019. My poor mother would ask me, \u2018What\u2019s happening to you?\u2019 \u2018Nothing.\u2019 My wife has learned something after (being at) the gathering of the Dora camp survivors. Before she had not heard anything about it. I never talked, never, never. A sister of mine told me, \u2018You&nbsp;ignored your mother. She wanted to know and you never said anything\u2019.\u201d (Niccol\u00f2&nbsp;Carpen\u00e9)<br \/>\n\u201cI came home sick. After two days I had a fever. For a year and a half I had nephritis, pneumonia, pain, blood bubbling\u2026\u201d&nbsp;(Amos&nbsp;Porciani)<br \/>\n\u201cOnly a few of us returned to&nbsp;Montelupo, just five of us; now I&#8217;m the only one still alive. One poor fellow went insane, interned ever since then in an asylum in Florence\u2026\u201d (Aldo&nbsp;Rovai)<br \/>\nAugusto&nbsp;Lupo&nbsp;says that his sensitivity is now altered. &nbsp;He reacts abnormally to slight noises,&nbsp;such as&nbsp;a&nbsp;spoon falling on the floor or a door closing. He has uncontrollable emotional reactions to television programs, \u201cI cry over nothing.\u201d, \u201cI&#8217;m not very sociable, I get emotional about everything.\u201d \u201cThe concentration camp made me this way\u201d,&nbsp;he says;&nbsp;(after returning)&nbsp;\u201cI became like this. &nbsp; Before I wasn\u2019t like this.\u201d&nbsp;Prior to this he had an emotionally normal manner. \u201cThis is a result of imprisonment. I left&nbsp;as&nbsp;a&nbsp;young man and when I came back I was an old man&#8230;\u201d&nbsp; (Augusto Lupo).<br \/>\n\u201cFor three years (after returning from the concentration camp)&nbsp;I always stayed at home. I didn\u2019t see anyone. I was angry because I thought that I\u2019d paid the debts of who knows what (&#8230;). When you return from a concentration camp, at first you seem to spring back. But then there comes a moment when you collapse again. There are memories that crop up from the sight of a photograph. Your eyes transmit them to your brain. Then, maybe while you&#8217;re asleep, that old fear hits you. It happens by degrees &#8230; And then you come back as lean and lanky as you were then, nervous, you live in a world of your own,&nbsp;you &nbsp;don\u2019t&nbsp;even see the others around you &#8230;\u201d&nbsp;(Fiorello&nbsp;Consorti)<br \/>\n\u201cIt is a burden that you carry with you for life, I think, now: you carry it with you for life.\u201d(Luciano Paoli).<br \/>\nThese psychological consequences of detention&nbsp;were studied&nbsp;in depth immediately after the war, yet as a topic have become increasing less discussed in interviews conducted since the early nineties, perhaps because the prevailing current interview model favors a happier ending.<br \/>\nIn fact, though,&nbsp;this alleged happy ending is usually viewed as such only from&nbsp;the perspective of the family, and scarcely corresponds to the fate of the individual who while they managed to survive the concentration camps are frequently destined to bear forever the physical and psychological consequences of that experience.<br \/>\nBut the accounts given in the 1980s were not yet embedded in that \u201cgenealogical\u201d optimism which was to become more characteristic of the next decade.<br \/>\nThus we see how difficult it was to bear the trauma of the camps, which many years later still continued to ruin the lives of those who managed to escape physical annihilation.<br \/>\nFinally, it is interesting to analyze the distinction between the memories of the Jewish survivors and those of the non-Jews, both strongly colored by the radically different situations they found on their return to Italy.<br \/>\nAs regards the Jewish prisoners, it should be noted that there was an initial and fundamental personal difference affecting their accounts. &nbsp;Most of them lost their relatives immediately after arriving at Auschwitz or in the following months. Others, on their return home, found that part of their family (and sometimes their entire family) had been exterminated. Consequently their memories of the&nbsp;Shoah are even more bleak and hopeless.<br \/>\nOnly one witness,&nbsp;Frida&nbsp;Misul, found on her return that her whole family had managed to survive.&nbsp;It is interesting to note that she was the first, among the Jews interviewed by&nbsp;Devoto, to write her memoirs and&nbsp;willingly travel to schools and talk about her experience. She says that she managed to overcome her psychological problems (if not her physical ones) and that she likes to go to Auschwitz.&nbsp;Furthermore, she is the only interviewee who says that she emerged from that experience a better person: \u201cI became better, yes, better, and I always try to act positively (&#8230;) because now I am safe\u201d. No other witness, Jew or non-Jew, claims that he or she was improved by the experience of the concentration camps.&nbsp;Indeed, another survivor, who was also Jewish and residing in the same city as&nbsp;Misul, says that he tries \u201cto avoid\u201d her (\u201cI respect her as a woman\u201d) \u201cbecause she always wants to talk about the deportation, because she has no more pain (&#8230;) she did not suffer the loss I suffered\u201d. &nbsp;He, conversely, lost his entire family&nbsp;and only wanted to forget, not to remember.<br \/>\nFor &nbsp;most, the sufferings they endured in the camps came on the heels of those caused by the Racial Laws (1938), and were followed by the shock of learning about the fate of their families once they were back home, &#8211; a span of&nbsp;almost ten years during which their lives and their world had been profoundly and indelibly transformed.<br \/>\nItalian Jews, previously well integrated into Italian society, were completely unprepared for the Racial Laws. Many of their non-Jewish neighbors and friends promptly followed the chilling rules and warnings embedded in the racial laws, and showed little solidarity toward their former friends.&nbsp;Italian Jews were to be further shocked by the German occupation of Italy, when the policies of deportation and extermination were implemented. In fact, from 1943 to 1945, the Italian fascist Republicans zealously aided the Germans to capture Jews, while ordinary Italians wavered between solidarity (at times heroic) and betrayal.<br \/>\nIf Italian Jews had formerly identified themselves completely with the Italian homeland, after the war their identity became more complex.&nbsp;&nbsp;Their ties with the Jewish community and Judaism become stronger. Many who before had not been religiously observant became more devout after the persecution, and many identified strongly with the new state of Israel and supported it (a well-known and widely studied phenomenon).<br \/>\nConversely, little is known or has been studied on the subject of the so called \u201canti-fascists\u201d, (the majority of whom &#8211; it bears repeating &#8211; had been arrested by chance and were not at that time consciously anti-fascist), and the accounts of their experience and its lasting impact once they returned home.<br \/>\nWhen we compare them to the Jews, it becomes evident that the situation they found on their return from the camps was very different; in fact, much better. They seldom discovered that a family member had died, and their families and friends had, in general, been unharmed. But for them this was often the very thing that became problematic and difficult to overcome. Friends and family members were, like everyone else, committed to rebuilding their lives in a post-war Italy, but the survivors felt out of tune with them.<br \/>\nThey could not, like their fellow Jewish sufferers, see their sufferings as part of an over-arching, epochal tragedy.&nbsp;Once back home,&nbsp;these \u201cpolitical\u201d deportees discovered that their world had been transformed only superficially by the war,&nbsp;and this is why they often lamented that friends and family simply could not believe their stories.<br \/>\nI think that while this disbelief was indeed frequently real, their rebuking of family and friends (\u201cthey did not want to listen, they did not believe\u201d) was more often, perhaps, an expression of their sense of estrangement and isolation after the war.<br \/>\nThey had suffered an extraordinary level of violence, humiliation and terror, an experience they could not erase and which continued to haunt them. But at the same time, while these survivors could not elude their suffering, all the others at home had experienced some degree of wartime violence and suffering which was incommensurable with what they had gone through.<br \/>\nFurthermore, following the end of the war relatives and friends frequently became pleasantly immersed in the optimistic and euphoric atmosphere of post-war Italy during the years of so-called \u201cnational reconstruction\u201d The survivors, on the other hand, were different and felt themselves so. For many years they could not find the help of any association or institution, (and, remember, their association,&nbsp;ANED, wasn\u2019t founded till 1968.) What\u2019s more, for many years the attention of the public was focused exclusively on the partisans and the Resistance, and ignored these deportees completely. \u201cIt was the time of the partisans, and all those who were not partisans were fascists\u201d, as Giovanni&nbsp;Muraca points out.<br \/>\nThus for a long time they&nbsp;\u201cretreated into (their)&nbsp;shells like snails, and spoke only with (their)&nbsp;fellow prisoners,\u201d&nbsp;to again quote Luciano Paoli.<br \/>\nPerhaps it\u2019s because of their extenuated difficulty in obtaining public acknowledgment that these &#8220;anti-fascists&#8221; who survived the death camps talk so often about their psychological problems, almost as if their suffering and its singularity can only be recognized in the form of mental illness&nbsp;and their trauma only characterized in psychiatric terms.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tuscan Memories of the Nazi Deportation: Devoto&#8217;s&nbsp;Oral Archive (1987-1989) Andrea&nbsp;Devoto&nbsp;(1927-1994) was an Italian psychologist, a professor of Social Psychology&nbsp;and the director&nbsp;of the Ospedale&nbsp;Psichiatrico&nbsp;in&nbsp;Maggiano&nbsp;(Lucca) and the Ospedale Psichiatrico&nbsp;San&nbsp;Salvi&nbsp;in Florence. 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